Karrie's Corner: The Gospel from Poland
Karried has bullied her way unto my web site. If I do not publish her insightful content then i am fearful of her and her gospel. So, here it is because:
To "Let the Bible speak for itself" = "let Karrie speak for herself"
Those who have ears, let them hear.
you left the space for people to comment and i left my comment
you didnt have ANY PROBLEMS to add the two comments on observation 1 and 2!!!
although i was anonymous then...
i added two other comments still as an anonymous person and you shouldnt have any problems with adding those now either...
i am not stupid and i dont call you names
you simply dont want to add my comments because you dont like the message
you are against that and you dont want those words to have any impact on those reading your blog
maybe earlier i added those comments in the middle of the night and you "couldnt" add them because you were sleeping (yea, right...) but you are not sleeping now and it is not night now and i keep adding the comments there and you should leave them on your blog (just like it was before!!!)
but you are afraid of the influence of those words and you are simply dishonest and manipulative, trying to leave people biased by your filthy opinion and you dont want them read anything (hard to refute!!!) contrary to what you think....
thats the truth
so that people wouldnt start to think with their hearts... in order to get right in their lives
you want to keep them in sinful lifestyles so that it would ease your conscience
you may try to deceive me but i can see through you
you are deceiving yourself that you are successful in your hiding behind your exceuses and fairy tales but the truth is obvious...
so please leave my comments
Recently, we had an exchange of ideas, if you can call it that, with a lady from Poland named Karrie. The initial post and all comments are freely available here on the site, but what I wanted to point out right now is the troubles we've had with her, and people like her.
Here is just one example of what I am talking about. I have received numerous complaints like this in the past week.
karina sent a message using the contact form at http://www.christian-polygamy.com/contact.
dont delete the comments i wrote. if you are not afraid of the truth that i wrote dont delete my comments!! let people decide, let the Bible speak for itself!!! let people see them.
i can see that my comments are inconvenient to you since you didnt let them stay on you blog, but have a minimum of integrity and honesty. dont be a blind leading the blind but let others see things from a different perspective.
As a sidenote: She claims to want me to allow others to "see things from a different perspective", and by this she refers to her own perspective, but what she doesn't seem to recognize is that 99.9% of all the people who ever visit this site already have the same perspective that she has, and the same basic, old, tired, and worn out 'proof' as to why Biblical Marriage is wrong.
Karries has the same perspective as everyone else does, so they don't necessarily need to see her comments in order to have another perspective: they already have the same. OUR PERSPECTIVE here at Christian-Polygamy.com would be the "alternative" perspective. ;-)
This is only the latest of her accusations that we have hidden her comments or removed her posts, and quite frankly I am tired of her lies. Yes, she seems to be lying, and when I point this out to her she ignores that, just like she ignores anythng that she disagrees with, and simply continues doing it.
Now, it does seem as though she made numerous comments on the site between the time I went to bed last night and the time I woke up this morning, so I am left to assume that these are the (as yet unapproved) comments that she made are are 'missing.' Unfortunately, this is not the first time she has made such accusations, so I cannot chalk it up to her zeal alone. This is just another illustration of the problems trying to rationally and logically discuss anything with normal 'christians.'
Since she seems incapable of being honest, or is truly stupid, or maybe even a troll, I think it best, in regards to time management and mental hygeine, to end the conversation with Karrie.
Her comments are here, as they always have been, for those who somehow need convincing of what they already think to be the truth about Christian Polygamy.
If you're going to debate the subject, I do insist you be honest, at the very least. Karrie is not honest, and therefore the 'debate' with her is over.
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Hello,
I've just read the post about 'normal christian' who spams your blog with some comments. I am Polish and I feel shame for her.
I used to be 'normal christian' i.e. dogmatical christian, who is always right. Now I am not so. I was studying the subject of polygamy with the Bible in my hands and with sincere prayer and now I am convinced that polygamy is a NORMAL, ACCEPTABLE to God and happy lifestyle.
Don't be discouraged by such a comments as those from that woman from Poland. Share your message.
and who is doshonest here, Josh
who is manipulative?
who is afraid here??
afraid of what...the truth???
why are you afraid of the truth, Josh (face it!!)
you can still live the way you want...but not as a christian of course...
and maybe you simply dont want to admit that you live sinfully? that your life is a mess and you have a stinking thinking??
you dont want to climb down?? admit that you were wrong?
why? pride?
eat crow and move on
it is not for me or because of me
your life is at stake here!!!
your life is too imporant to care for anything else but your relationship with God. He loves you and He wants you back.
RE: and who is doshonest here, Josh
Let me guess.....you? I'd say more but you're scaring me.
Jesus is against polygamy
Jesus said: I and the Father are One. so if Jesus is one with the Father - then dont you think that God the Father supports what Jesus says? If Jesus said "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." He changes the way people are to live. dont you think, Josh?
Does Jesus have something else on His mind when He says BUT I SAY UNTO YOU...?
Doesnt Jesus introdoce new way of living???
so if you call yourself a Christian - should you insist on the old ways of living and rebel against Christ???
RE: Jesus is against polygamy
Indeed, Jesus gave an excellent summary of moral law: his own Law-Word that had been previously revealed in the Old Testament. There was nothing “new” about any of it, except that it should be written on the heart, and applied in principle rather than be followed by the letter alone.
Did you catch that? Jesus did not change the moral law that He Himself revealed in the Old Testament, because Jesus Himself is the one who revealed the law to Moses and other Old Testament saints in the first place.
That doesn't sound like he changed His Law-word.
nope he didn't change the
nope he didn't change the Law-Word at all ..it is just what the scriptures says he is the "fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets"!!
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if you are a christian you have to behave like one
christians are Christlike....
so why dont you accept and be obedient to what Christ says?? why do you come back again and again to the OT since Jesus Christ says
mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
and in the verse 22 He says "But I say unto you"
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. ??
Is it me who changes the way we are to live or was it Jesus?? are you follower of Jesus and do you allow Him to rule your life or not??
If Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior says "But I say unto you" then who are you to ignore His words?? or twist them??
If He decided to introduce a new law a new covenant - who are you (or me) to rebel and wish to go back to the old times of the OT???
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see RE: Jesus is against polygamy below.
it is your blog and you have advantage
it is your blog and you have advantage but giving earlier this opportunity for people to express their own opinion you had to know that not all readers will share your viewpoint. so having this chance to say what i think i expressed my opinion and leave my comments on your blog. just this. i will disappear, i will not comment write you any more. just leave what i said, those things you are so afraid of. but people have the right to know this. this is a chance for them to change their lives and you are taking this aay from them. if your heart is hard as a stone, dont assume that others dont want to break free from this filthy and immoral lifestyle!!! i only demand from you what you allow others!!
huhhhhhhh??? (with my head
huhhhhhhh??? (with my head over to the right side) i still do not see the point that yur trying to make here?? and no,i am not blind , dumb or stupid.. i am trying to understand the point and the case your making here.. it makes no sense to me>..
RE: it is your blog and you have advantage
Karrie dear, I have no problem allowing other viewpoints on this site, although in truth there is no other viewpoint that I've seen. Either you accept Biblical Marriage or you do not. I do, most people, just like you, do not. There are no other opposing perspectives.
I have grown quite weary of your constant whining and general dishonesty (or ignorance) as well as your arrogance, and still have given you every opportunity to speak. What I don't want is for someone to come here and clutter up my web site by posting the exact same thing under every post. This will get you and your precious opinion deleted in a heart beat. Capiche?
have some guts, Josh, and leave my comments- thats all i ask
Jesus said in Mark 10:11 "And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. "
Jesus very clearly says that every man who puts away his wife commits adultery when he marries another woman (any woman, not only a married woman).
If according to Jesus a man commits adultery if he is divorced or separated from his first wife and he marries another woman, how much more!!! he commits adultery when he takes another woman to be his wife while he is still married!!!
[Editors Note: See Mark 10:11 and Polygyny for my reply.]
In Tit 1:6 and 1 tim 3:2 apostle Paul says that a bishop should be a husband of one wife.
"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; "
This statement is very important since bishops were the teachers who were to shape the mentality and way of thinking of the church, of Jesus' sheep.
This commmandment was given to the bishops because they were to model and shape the believers into who they are. We all multiply who we are and they were clearly told to be the husbands of one wfe in order to multiply this approach in other marriages, in the mentality of the whole church.
[Editors Note: See Do 1Ti 3 and Titus 1 Prohibit Polygyny ? for my reply.]
A very important information is that we, believers from gentiles were never given the Old testament Law. The OT Law was given only to the Jews.
We are not under the Law. So even in the polygamy was prevalent in the times of the OT it cannot be any basis for the church to stand on and look to.
When Jesus came He changed the Law. He taught the Jews in Mat 5:21 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:"
and in the verse 22 Jesus clearly says: "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. "
Jesus introduced a new law (the law of love), a new covenant.
[Editors Note: See Is God's Law-Word Valid For Us Today? for more information.]
In the Old Testament people, both Adam and Eve were under the curse. Eve's curse was that she was to be ruled by her husband.
But in Gal 3:13 we read: "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:"
The woman's curse was broken. It is over. The husband no longer rules over the wife. They are both equal, there is no male no female because we both are one in Christ.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. " Gal 3:28
We ALL are Christ's members. We all are His sons as written in Gal 3:26 "For ye are all the sons of God by faith in Christ Jesus. "
Polgamy is contrary to the law of law under we are under now.
In Eph 5:2 we read: "And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. "
The husband doesn not walk in love when he takes another wife because he doesnt think at that moment about the first wife who is not blessed and not happy and glad to see her husband be with aother woman. And the husband's role is to give his life for the wife Eph 5:26-28.
If the husband is getting out of love towards his wife and makes decisions that are hurting to her he can read the Lord's opinion about it in 1 Pe 3:7: "Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with [them] according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered"
The woman is not being given any honor when she sees her husband "fall in love" with another woman.
the same old stuff
Karina (if that is your name),
You are just repeating the same old arguments we have heard for years now. True enough, most people don't feel the need to berate us quite as much as you do, nor has anyone ever been so disrespectful as to call my husband "Josh", but otherwise you are just repeating the party line over and over again. The "original" thoughts you have, i.e, those we did not address elsewhere years ago, are all based on your own unique interpretations, definitions and assumptions concerning Scripture and what it says. Example: You say "The woman is not being given any honor when she sees her husband "fall in love" with another woman.". This is your personal opinion and definition of "giving honor" as well as taking another wife (which you equate with a romantic notion, to "fall in love"). Neither can be derived from Scripture.
In the very beginning of our conversation (and I almost regret ever having been nice to you, given how you then went on to express judgments about my husband and I when you do not know the first thing about us), I linked you to a post where all the old typical party line arguments were addressed. It seems as though you never felt a need to read this post, or any of the articles I linked you to. Please go back and read first what we have to say before coming up with more arguments.
Here is a link to one of our old blogs where we addressed a couple of things in direct response to people such as yourself:
http://joshuahshouse.blogspot.com/search/label/apologetics
Maybe you could start there.
Incidentally, why don't you start your own blog? "I-hate-polygamists.blogspot.com" or something similar that suits your way of thinking is probably still available, for free.
Grace and Peace,
Talitha Nun
RE: The curse is lifted?
Karrie, you have said elsewhere, and here:
I have to ask why it is that only a portion of the woman's curse has been lifted. You say that "The wife was no longer to be ruled by the husband", but that was only a part of the curse. What about the part of the curse about the woman's desire, and of the pain in childbirth? Why is childbirth still painful? It was still painful the last time I was in the hospital with my wife as she was giving birth! And also, what makes you think that man and woman were ever NOT equal before the eyes of God? Where do you come up with that crazy notion? Men and women have always had equal standing before God, they've just had (and still have) different roles...like childbirth, for example. Different, and complimentary, but equal.
Also, what about the curse on Adam? How was that that lifted? Which part? Any? Does that mean that man no longer has to toil, or that he no longer sweats? Is the ground no longer cursed? Do thorns and thistles no longer grow? Again, what makes you think that man and woman were ever NOT equal before the eyes of God? Who told you this, and why would you choose to believe it?
RE: Polgamy is contrary to the law of law under we are under no
Well dear, you are wrong. The verses you quote are not related to polygyny specifically, and your rendering of them is nothing more than fanciful, romanticized twaddle, I'm sorry to say.
RE: gentiles were never given the Old testament Law
(1 John 2:4 KJV) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
And also:
(1 John 5:2-3 KJV) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
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i know that most people visiting your blog think similarly but i do believe, strongly believe, that they think this way because they dont know the truth or dont see the truth. so that is why i want them to see things from the perspective of MAJORITY of christians, because i am sure that you know very well that a tiny group of people think that polygamy is right.
so they know that polygamy is ok because they were told so or because they dont know the truth or they never studied this suject because it is convenient for people to not deprive themselves of privilages they claim to have, right? that is why i only aks you Josh to leave my comments. nothing else. you dont have to be rude in your comments on me, dont have to call me names. just leave my notes, nothing else!!!
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Karrie, again you misunderstood what I wrote to you. The majority of people who visit this web site "think similarly" to YOU, not to me.
What this means is that your presuppositions are incorrect.